Model 1000 Rifle Rest

5 out of 5 based on 4 customer ratings (4 Reviews)
Price: $499.95
Sandbag not included.
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Product Description

Made in the U.S.A.

U.S. Pat.# 6877266

The Model 1000 rifle rest is rock-solid, yet it babies your gun, is easy to use and adjustable.  The Model 1000 rifle rest is designed for technical shooting.

Model 1000 Diagram

  1. The Model 1000 accepts any size rifle -- Length adjustment is quick and easy.
  2. Shooting accuracy is improved with the fine tune feature for windage adjustment.
  3. The rest is leveled by horizontal fine-tuning of each foot and locked in place with an aluminum, jammer knob.
  4. A Timken roller bearing, located underneath the knurled aluminum elevation knob, delivers smooth operation.
  5. Rear leather saddle with height adjustment.
  6. Solid cold-rolled, zinc plated 1/2" square bars connect the forearm rest to the butt stock saddle.
  7. Knurled knob engages the keyway elevation adjustment rod for solid lock-down.
  8. Shooting base is made of a cast ductile ferrous compound with a silver-vain, powder coating for durability.
  9. Includes 1 Quick Release Sandbag Attachment (sandbag not included).


30 inches (76 cm)
12 inches (30 cm)
9.5 inches (24 cm)
18 lbs. (8.1 kg) approx.


Please indicate if you are a right-handed or left-handed shooter in the "Notes" field when ordering, so we can configure the shooting rest for your preferences.


3U.S. Pat.# 6877266


WATERTOWN, SD - Target Shooting Incorporated adds another new shooting rest to its successful product line. The model 1000 joins TSI's line of high-quality, precision engineered shooting products. The model 1000 has many of the same features as the already popular 500 with increased adjustability and added features.

The base is a cast, ferrous compound with a high temperature silver-vain powder coating. This makes both the structure and finish very durable. Half-inch, solid, cold-rolled stainless steel rods connect the forearm rest to but stock saddle. Length adjustment is fast and easily accepts any sized rifle. Pure shooters will appreciate the fine-tune feature for both elevation and windage adjustments. A precise point-of- impact can be achieved with out moving the entire position of the rifle and rest and the 1000 will maintain that point of impact after each shot unlike conventional sandbags or shooting rests.

The 1000's patented base design gives height adjustment at each foot. It can be leveled by horizontally fine-tuning each foot and with an integrated plumb bubble shooter's can achieve perfect leveling. The feet of the 1000 have non-marring vinyl covers. These covers can be removed to expose Rockwell-hardened points for use on wood and concrete surfaces.

The rifle forearm rests in silicone treaded blocks that are soft as to not mar the forearms finish and also solid enough for positive positioning of point-of-impact. The blocks are adjustable from 1 ¼"-3" to snugly fit any width forearm. With the rifle in place both windage and elevation can be adjusted without moving the rest base. The butt stock is cradled in a rear saddle that is covered with leather and has a built-in leather bumper. This rear saddle is height and tilt adjustable with an optional fine-tune height adjustment available as an added accessory. No other rest system holds a rifle as solid into place without risk of damage to the blued or stock finish. Most importantly, the rifle is protected and point-of-impact is maintained after the recoil of a fired shot, even for the heaviest of magnum loads.

"The Infantry Center Instructors us the TSI rifle rest when training initial entry Soldiers here at Fort Benning, Georgia and take the rest on the road when conducting New Equipment Training (NET) for Army combat forces," says Charley Pavlick, Senior Analyst/Camber at Ft. Benning. "Additionally, the Infantry Center Instructors have used the TSI rest during weapon and accessory integration, research, testing and evaluation," he says.

"One of the best rifle rests I've ever shot over comes from Target Shooting, Inc. It has enough adjustment to satisfy anyone, but remains cleverly simple. It's stone solid, easy to use and it babies your rifle. Obviously, this rest was designed by a shooter," says Wayne van Zwoll, Special Projects Editor, Guns & Ammo Magazine.

TSI is also proud to have its rest nominated for the "Editor's Choice Award" of On Target Magazine.

TSI's model 1000 has several accessories available and many more in development. A sandbag attachment converts the silicone blocks to a conventional forearm rest, a rear saddle with fine-tune height adjustment, a bull vise to hold a rifle in place for gunsmithing, and a pistol rest for pistol shooting, and a gun stop. Available soon is a front V saddle and a special designed rear base, making the 1000 legal for competition shooting. All these accessories make the model 1000 the most versatile found anywhere.

TSI's new model 1000 has the most precision features of any rest sold anywhere. As all TSI products, the 1000 was designed by shooters for shooters. To see the entire line of TSI products visit their website at



Target Shooting
Model 1000 Shooting Rest

by Dave Campbell

Editor and Chief
Shooting Illustrated Magazine

You have to admit that only a certifiable gun nut is going to get giddy over a rifle rest--and I'm that guy. For nigh on eight months I've been using the Model 1000 Shooting Rest from Target Shooting, Inc., and except for some really heavy kickers, I've been using it exclusively for testing guns for this space as well as load development for some upcoming articles. There are a lot of good rests out there, but I may have just found the ultimate one.

OK, what's to get giddy about? Well for one thing, it weighs less than many other rests--just a bit more than 15 pounds. But that's for the whole thing--front and rear rests. Once assembled, it is a one-piece unit, so that weight covers both ends. I've used sandbags for the front end that weighed more and were less stable. Another reason I fell in love with this conglomeration of threaded steel, iron and leather is that once it is set up--it takes maybe 30 seconds to put it on the bench and adjust it to the rifle you are shooting--the Model 1000 cradles virtually any rifle with absolute stability. There's never even a hint the rifle is balanced precariously. How many times have you seen a rifle fall off a rest?

A fully-adjustable fore-end stop ensures the rifle rests at the exact same point from shot to shot. To keep the stop screws from marring the threaded rods, a nylon ball is sandwiched between them.

The spirit level mounted on the front rest allows the shooter to quickly level the rest on the bench. Workmanship on the Model 1000 is superb, making it one of the best rests available today.


The Model 1000 consists of a cast iron front base in the shape of a T with threaded bases for adjustable feet and a central recess bored for the front bag assembly. A buttstock saddle connected to the front base by two 1/2-inch pieces of key stock makes up the tail section. Cast iron parts are coated with a silver-vein powder coating and the machined parts are made from stainless steel. The front rest is supported by a 3/4-inch threaded rod in a round, knurled adjusting nut with a roller bearing washer between it and another washer atop the base, making for a glass-smooth rotating action. A 5/16-inch hand screw serves as a stop to prevent the rest from creeping under recoil. At the rear a leather covered piece of angle iron is mounted on a fully adjustable 3/8-inch screw with a knurled adjustment nut similar to that on the front. Another hand screw allows the shooter to fine tune the fore and aft tilt of the saddle to accommodate the toe of the stock. There is a spirit level on the front T platform. The three feet of the rest are hardened stainless steel and come with non-marring vinyl covers which can be removed and tapped into a wood or concrete bench if desired.

There are several fore-end variations available from Target Shooting, Inc., but I chose the sandbag because it is quicker and, for my needs, more versatile. A gun vise attachment is also available that can be used for cleaning and maintenance and there is even a rest designed for handguns. The sandbag rest has about 1 1/2 inches of windage adjustment, plenty for any foreseeable shooting need. A nylon friction washer retards it from creeping. Of course, on a premium rest like this, the sandbag's ear tension is adjustable to accommodate a variety of fore-ends. And there is a fully adjustable fore-end stop at the front of the rest. On my rest, the leather sandbag is held in place with two pieces of 3/8-inch key stock and six socket-headed screws, for which Target Shooting, Inc. has supplied an Allen wrench cleverly tucked into a recess in the side of the front base.

So how do you test a rifle rest? It's not like I can tell you it shrinks groups. What I can say is it makes wringing out a rifle a lot easier than most conventional rests. Some full-support rests are so bulky and poorly designed that they get in the way of the shooter--especially a shooter who is already to bulky, like me. But this rest was designed by a shooter, Wally Brownlee, and he knew exactly what a shooter wants. It needs to support without being in the way; it needs to be lightweight and portable; and the adjustments must be full range, smooth, repeatable and not wander.

After eight months of regular use with a lot of rifles and handguns, I'd say Wally done good...real good.

TSI Model 1000 Rifle Rest

by Bill Battles

On Target Magazine

Editor's Choice Award Winner!

Target Shooting, Inc. makes what may be the world's best precision rifle rests. Case in point: the Model 1000.

This Rolls Royce of rifle rests weighs almost 15 pounds--a good thing when it comes to precision work with a rifle. Built on rugged front and rear castings joined by two square steel rods, the Model 1000 has one rear and two front screw-adjustable feet with knurled locking collars. A bubble level in the front casting permits the shooter to obtain a perfectly level platform by adjusting the height the feet. Each foot includes a screw-out steel pin for use on wooden benches, with non-marring vinyl foot caps provided for hard-surfaced benches.

Bed length is adjustable from 6 to 26 inches, more than sufficient to accommodate the longest rifle. The rear saddle is covered in soft black leather, and is adjustable for height, rotation, and fore/aft angle.

The Model 1000's forend cradle is truly a work of art. It rotates 360 degrees, and is micro-adjustable for height via a large, knurled adjustment ring. The rifle's forend is cradled between two dead foam blocks, which kill rifle bounce and protect the forend. The width between the blocks can be set at up to 3.5 inches to fit the widest target forend, and when locked in they microadjust right and left using a large windage adjustment knob.

Featured in On Target's May 2004 Issue!

The front and rear castings are finished in an attractive silver-vein powder coating. Other steel and aluminum parts are left in the white. An optional pistol rest ($72) replaces the forend cradle, and has all the adjustability necessary to accommodate any carry, target, or hunting handgun.

The model 1000 retails for $429.95, and should last for eight or ten generations of shooters. In fact, we like it so much that we've adopted the Model 1000 as the official rifle/pistol rest of On Target magazine!

See it at your local gun shop, or for more information contact Target Shooting, Inc., Dept OT, P.O. Box 773, Watertown, SD 57201; Tel.: (800) 611-2164; Web:



Target Shooting Inc.'s New Model 1000 Rifle Rest

by Jeff Quinn

photography by Jeff Quinn & Boge Quinn

May 24th, 2004


For a little over three years now, I have been using Wally Brownlee's Model 500 rifle rest. Wally is the chief of Target Shooting Incorporated located in Watertown, South Dakota. The Model 500 has enabled me to do a much better job of testing rifles for Gunblast than I could do using sandbags and makeshift rests. To see how good a rifle will shoot, it must be held steadily. If I can't hold the gun consistently for every shot, I can't precisely report on the accuracy of any given gun, scope, or ammunition.

Since buying my Model 500, I have had occasion to shoot from other rifle rests. While some were good, none enabled me to hold the rifle as steadily as I can with Wally's rest. I even tried one high-dollar rest that strapped the gun down to the rest, with the rest strapped to the bench. Still, it could not hold the gun in the same position from shot to shot, without unstrapping the gun and starting over for every shot. Also since purchasing my first Model 500, there have been other rests introduced on the market that are built from cheap materials with poor third-world craftsmanship, and imported here at a low price. I have tried some of the lightweight cheap rests, and have found that if you buy junk, you get junk. All of the products from Target Shooting Inc. are American made from the best materials. With the model 500, I thought that I had the best rest available, and I did, until the introduction of the Model 1000.

Wally Brownlee is a shooter, and like many shooters, he is always looking to improve things. The Model 1000 brings to fruition many ideas that are improvements upon the original Model 500.

The 500 is still being built, and it still has its place in the field. It is a very versatile rest for target shooters and varmint hunters. However, for the serious target shooter, the new Model 1000 offers several very useful features that greatly improve the shooter's ability to hit the target precisely, every time. The most noticeable feature is the front rest. It consists of two dense polymer blocks that are naturally slick, so that the gun can slide with recoil, and can also be coated with silicone spray for additional lubricity. Some shooters want a rest that holds the gun to the device without allowing it to slide during recoil. This is a mistake. The rifle needs to slide within the rest or over sandbags consistently for each shot, to achieve maximum accuracy. The two blocks can be adjusted in width to accommodate any rifle forearm, using the supplied Allen wrench, which stores in a hole in the side of the front base. If a shooter prefers a sandbag up front, a holder for one is available as an option. However, I think that anyone who tries the adjustable blocks will never go back to a sandbag again. The front is adjustable for elevation by using a knurled wheel, which rides smoothly on a roller bearing. The front is also adjustable for windage by turning a knob on the right side of the front rest, easily making minute windage adjustments without disturbing the base of the rest. In front of the forearm rest is an adjustable forearm stop guide, that allows the shooter to precisely set the gun in the rest consistently for each and every shot. Another really nice feature of the forearm rest is that the blocks allow sling swivel studs to slide between the blocks, eliminating the need to remove them for shooting.

The buttstock rest on the Model 1000 is covered with leather, and the angle is adjustable to fit any rifle. As an option, an elevation wheel is also available for the rear rest, to make small adjustments at that location for elevation.

The base of the Model 1000 has square section rails, which are much stiffer than round rails of the same size. As can be seen in the picture of me standing on the rails of the rest, they are indeed strong. I know that it is hard to believe looking at my slender frame, but I weigh 230 pounds, and the rails supported my weight easily. The base also has a bubble level attached, and the feet of the rest are independently adjustable, to accommodate for an out-of-level shooting bench. The feet of the Model 1000 are covered with a rubber cup, for use on metal surfaces. However, for use on a wood or concrete bench, the rubber cups can be removed and the hardened steel points can be hammered into the bench top by hitting the plate above each foot with a mallet. This sinks the steel point into the wood or concrete surface to prevent the rest from moving. The points are very durable, and should hold up to years of use. For use on other surfaces, the points are easily retracted and the rubber cups replaced. Each foot also has a locking wheel to lock the position after leveling the rest. One thing that I really appreciate about both the Models 500 and 1000 is that the rails of the base are separated enough to allow the use of extended magazines, as can be seen in the picture. This same feature also allows a lever action rifle to be cycled without removing the gun from the rest; a very well thought-out feature. Like the Model 500, the 1000 is adjustable for length, to accommodate any rifle. The Model 1000 weighs 14 ¾ pounds, and is very stable in use.

After unboxing the model 1000, taking photos and measurements, and setting it up on my bench, I laid in a new Savage .308 bolt action into the rest. I bore-sighted the rifle, fired a couple of shots to get it on paper at 100 yards, and proceeded to fire for accuracy. The first three shots went into a ragged hole measuring just ¼ of an inch. That not only attests to the accuracy of the gun and ammunition, but to the precision of the rifle rest. It allows the gun to fire the same way, every time.

The Model 1000 is built of high quality materials by American craftsmen, and is very easy to set up and use. It enables a shooter to achieve the best accuracy possible from his rifle and ammunition. It does no good to buy a quality rifle, bolt on an expensive scope, and use the best ammunition, and then shoot the gun from an improvised or cheaply-built rifle rest. A woods hunter getting ready for deer season might do alright sighting his gun off the hood of a truck. It would get it close enough. However, every serious shooter and handloader needs a good stable rest from which to test his gun and ammunition. In the Model 1000, Wally Brownlee has built the best that I have ever used, and I highly recommend it.

For pricing information and to purchase the Model 1000, go to

Jeff Quinn




Author fine-tunes buttstock elevation.

The Model 1000 rest is fully length-adjustable to fit virtually any rifle.


Front blocks allow space for swivel studs.


Optional sandbag adapter allows for shooting from sandbag while maintaining adjustability.


Target Shooting Inc.'s Model 1000 rest is not just for rifles. Author finds it to be just as effective as a handgun rest, making it the only rest Jeff needs on his shooting bench.

Click pictures for a larger version.


Author adjusts the Target Shooting, Inc. Model 1000 rest.



Front base is equipped with a bubble level.


For smooth operation, the Model 1000 is equipped with a roller bearing underneath the elevation adjustment wheel (see below).


Elevation of the forend rest is fully adjustable by means of a knurled adjustment wheel. Adjustment is easy, smooth and precise.


The feet of the Model 1000 rest are covered with rubber caps for use on metal bench surfaces - underneath the rubber caps are retractable hardened steel points which can be driven into wooden or concrete benches.


Once the feet are adjusted to a level position, they can be locked into place with knurled wheels.


Square steel rails are used for maximum strength. These rails are strong enough to support Jeff's full weight!


The Model 1000's dual rail system allows the use of high-capacity magazines or lever-action rifles.


Rear stock rest adjusts to any angle to accommodate a wide variety of stock designs.


Forend rest is fully width-adjustable.


Forend stop allows a reference for precise repeatability of gun position in the rest.


I got my new Target Shooting rest today and it is everything I imagined it to be.  Have spent the last hour playing with it.  Am looking forwad to getting it to the range.  If I don't shoot straight it will not be due to this rest.
It is a first-rate piece of engineering and craftmanship.  I work on the Space Shuttle program and I get to lay my hands on some top-tier pieces of American engineering and your rest is right in there. 
Wally, thanks again for the base upgrade.  Can't say enough except that I will be back for more of your product.
Mark Bryant


Hi Wally,

I shot this at our gun range this morning.  I thought you'd like seeing one of my targets (5 shot group) on my first outing using your Model 1000 Rifle Rest!

Rifle:                  Anschutz Model 1717D - HB
Ammunition:     Federal V-Max .17 Grain
Weather:           Light wind

 I love it!  : ) 

Thank you so much! 


Today I utilized the Model 1000 to zero my DPMS Panther LR .308. I simply could not be happier with the rest.  I found it to be very simple to manipulate with the rifle actually on the rest while sighting in. Dialing in the rear (height) adjustments was incredibly easy with the rear fine tuning accessory.  The Model 1000 certainly minimized the "human error"  as the rifle I was shooting was relatively new to me. In addition, unlike rifles I have fired in the past, the rifle was completely stock and unmodified.  As a former military and federal law enforcement sniper, I feel that the rest is an invaluable tool. While I was only zeroing at 100 yards (standard for federal law enforcement), and while I am a bit rusty on the "long gun", I was very satisfied with the results. (Needless to say, I am very happy with the rifle too)!! I scanned the results of my shooting and am sending them as an attachment. Again, thanks for a quality product.




 "Hi Wally,
Just received my model 1000 and accessories, and wanted to thank you for everything. It is beautiful! I am sorry to say that most of my firearms are not this well made.
The best to you and yours in 2007.
Thanks again,"


- Mike Dahan





"I ordered a model 1000 rifle rest from you a while back and am extremely happy with it. What an excellent product that is."


- Dave T





 "Hey Wally!!
I went to the rifle range yesterday and here are the results. I was using Ultra Max remanufactured 55 gr ballistic tip 223 in an AR15 with a 24" SS bull barrel made by Rock River Arms with a Bushnell 6-18x50 Scope. The attached targets speak for themselves. The single target was shot off of sand bags and the attachment with the two targets was shot from the Model 1000 rifle rest.
THANK YOU for a great product!"


- Gary


You may remember I ordered a rifle rest 1000, that I received a few weeks ago.  Finally got to the range yesterday.  Just to let you know it is absolutly,one of the best investments I made for shooting.
Can't tell how happy I am with it, this stand will come with
me everytime I go to the range.  Great product, great workmenship and made in America.

Wally what is the cost for an extra butt stock saddle and the slippery tape?



Good afternoon Wally. I finally got the opportunity to use the recently purchased Model 1000.  What a true pleasure to have such a superb piece of equipment.  The rear adjustment is a bonus and works well.  A few onlookers who had never seen one of your rifle rests asked several questions and were provided with your website.  How nice it is to have the best quality available with such great features.  It most certainly will last forever and is therefore worth the investment.

Wayne Bennett

Good morning Wally;
I received the foot caps yesterday in the mail.  Thanks.  I appreciate your
I really like your 1000.  I wish I could shoot this weekend, but will have
to wait to next...  The 1000 is great.  You did a great job on it!

A friend and I compare your 1000 to the Ben Dale's Apex Edge Pro knife
sharpener.  It is not cheap, but so well made and does the job better than
anything else out there...  I have spent too much money on knife sharpeners
and they are all OK, some better than others.  But Ben Dale's works in
spades.  Your 1000 is the same way.
( )

Best regards,
Drew Certain

Best customer service I ever had.  Not only did you answer my questions about the product but I got good tips on using it and on hunting prairie dogs.
I am embarrassed to admit it but..................... I would have been allot more talkative but I was on the thrown when you called. There was someone on the one next to me and a full house at the urinals. I was trying to minimize my chat. :-)
I haven't prairie dog hunted yet but I am super excited about it. I bought a new rifle, now the rest, a US Optics scope and as soon as the season hits I am out there.
Thanks again

The gun stop and sand bag arrived yesterday. The timing was perfect,
since my buddy and I went to our gun club today. We used the 1000 to dial in
his newly mounted Leopold scope. I had to laugh since once we were set up on
the rest and started to adjust things, he kept saying Oh, yeah and right on
and very smooth with each adjustment that I showed him. We were both amazed
and pleased with the difference the 1000 made in our shooting today. Your
rest, not only made out zeroing effort easier but made the entire day of
shooting much more enjoyable and relaxing. He ask me to send him you site,
so I suspect that you may be getting another order soon. Thanks for a great

Hi Wally,

It's amazing what a difference the rest made.  Now I can actually measure slight variations in ammo loads!  The range I use is a 100yd indoor, so wind is no factor, but now I can accurately set a 200yd+ zero based on the ballistic data.

The rear fine tune works perfectly.  It really shines when using any scope greater than 14x with a fine target dot.  I can't imagine using the rest without it.

Only have two problems that cropped up.  The level fell after a few shots.  Seems the double sided tape it's enough for it's size  I replaced it with a T-level which I placed on the cast base.  Also the poly tape on both the front supports and the rear support has started peeling back at the corners.

Question:  Which size Protektor sandbag does the rest us:  #1, #2, or #3?


Wally I wanted to thankyou for taking the time to go over the setup and finer oints of the model 1000 rest.  It is by far the best rest I have ever used to punch paper with.  It really takes the human error out of shooting and lets the shooter see what his rifle can do.  Thanks again

Rick Hawks 2009

Wally, I know we spoke over the phone, but i would like to take a moment to let all your site readers know what a wonderful product you have.  i have had a 1000 for three months and have had four range trips with it.  it just keeps getting better the more i use it.  several people have asked about it and i have sung your praises and told them all about you.  good luck in the future, and don't forget to check out the barnes bullets.


Dear Wally:

Thanks for creating a magnificent gun rest.  Finally, someone has removed all of the frustration associated with sighting a rifle in.  As a matter of fact, your Model 1000 made it an absolute pleasure.  As soon as it arrived, my son and I headed for the rifle range with my .257 Weatherby Accumark Magnum, .22-250 (Weatherby Mark V action and heavy Krieger Accumark barrel) and assortment of other family rifles that had never been fully dialed in using a rock-solid, infinitely adjustable and precise piece of equipment like yours.  In the past, I used a rag tag collection of sand bags, wedged logs, bipods, etc., only to shake and shimmy at long distance sightings.

My .257 WM and .22-250 are both rigged with Nightforce NXS 5.5 X 22X56 scopes and Np-R2 reticles.  I can't express what a pleasure it was to sight those long range babies in with your rest.  With large front correction wheel and rear precision tuning adjustment, I could obtain a crystal clear and vibration free target image at 300,  500, and even 1,000 yards.  All the little details, controls, adjustments and machined parts are perfect - truly a work of practical art.

Working with you was a true pleasure.  Your gun knowledge, kindness and efforts to expedite shipping were a breath of fresh air in this modern world where every customer just seems to be another number.


Scott Ortkiese
President/CEO - Halcyon Capital Partners, LLC











Date: 2013-06-16 12:41:16
Without question this is the finest and most precision rest that I have ever seen. It is a pleasure to use.
Date: 2013-06-16 22:46:59
Extremely high quality workmanship. Finest rest I've ever shot from.
Date: 2014-02-05 18:20:40
I come from a family of aerospace machinist. This rest is work of art. Fit and finish is first class. First time at the range I shot 242 of 250 on IBS Target. Tried all the other rests then bought the best. Pricing is well worth the money 1/3 the cost of my target rifle. The owner Wally is a shooter and genuinely cares about your satisfaction. Wally sets up each rest to your needs. Wally called to ask how the rest performed and gave me some tricks to improve even more. If you want the best here it is. Pete Cholewinski Woodland Ca.
Date: 2015-04-23 10:21:09
I cannot express enough my satisfaction with my 1000 rifle rest. I have used it multiple times, and wanted to really get to know this rest before I wrote a review. The 1000 rifle rest offers a wide range of adjustments to accommodate any rifle I own. The workmanship and machining is impressive and makes my investment a good value to me. The old saying "Buy the best once and only feel the pain once" is appropriate in this case. I am sure this fine rest will service me well and be passed on to my grandchildren. One thing I will say is to purchase the optional rifle stop at the onset. I tried it w/o the stop, and immediately knew I wanted the additional accessory. I am a 100% satisfied customer, and Wally keeps in touch to make sure I am satisfied. Awesome product...awesome customer service!